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  Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

  by Sharpie in

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  shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

  as per doctrine.

  is still alive in heaven right now correct?

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  Sea Breeze

  should that not read "gehennah" the lake of fire?

  @waton,

  Probably, but what the hell.
  
  
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  Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

  by Sharpie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

  as per doctrine.

  is still alive in heaven right now correct?

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  Sea Breeze

  @peacefulpete,

  Are you aware that more than a dozen early christian verbal creeds are found in the new testament? These are dated by non-christian scholars to anywhere from a few weeks from the cross to a few years after the cross. Just WOW!
  
  As much as 90 % of Jesus' followers were illiterate. These creeds had rhymes or some sort of meter to them so that they were easiy rememberd and taught to others.
  
  This is amazing evidence illustrating what the earliest Christians believed immediately after the cross.

  The Earliest Christian Creed is found in 1 Cor. 15: 3-8

  “For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received:

  that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,

  that he was buried,

  that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

  The earliest believers knew that Jesus died as a "Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world", just as John the Baptist introduced him. As Jews, they were also very well familiar with the animal substitution sacrificial system. So, they also understood that it was a personal individual payment for the believer - "Christ died for our sins".
  
  One of the main reasons that we have the new testament was to keep the doctrines and meanings pure from heretics who sought to corrupt and obscure the work of Jesus. So, they wrote their arguments down at the direction of the Holy Spirit.
  
  In so doing, it is possible to firmly refute most every heresy from the scriptures. The leaders that the apostles trained wrote even more than what the apostles did... mostly battling heresies as well. This is also a valuable resource of history that records not only what the heresies were, but also who was responsible for them.
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Sea Breeze

  The Bible says the dead are not conscious.

  Only in Ecclesiastes which is a philosophical work written from a purely physical point of view. It states dozens of times the phrase “under the sun” does it not?

  Just a few paragraphs later it states “money is the answer for everything” .

  A person can legitimately say that the Bible says money is the answer for everything.

  Why didn’t Russell make that statement a part of his “Christian” writings if it describes life here as well as in eternity?

  Why the inconsistency?
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Sea Breeze

  enough,

  Do you think its possible that the dead souls in heaven described in Rev. 6: 9-11 could have relatives still alive on earth?
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

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  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Sea Breeze

  When I was a kid, before I ever heard about a JW, I knew that Jesus wasn't God almighty.

  With all due respect, do you think that basing your beliefs on childish reasoning is wise? I wasn't on board with the deity of Christ when I accepted Christs' new covenant - "for the forgiveness of sins".
  
  I just stood on the scripture that plainly stated that all power had been given him in heaven and earth. I reasoned, that if I made a deal with Jesus, it would be good everywhere based on that verse.
  
  So, a person doesn't need to have everything worked out to start associating with bible-believing Christians. There is MUCH common ground to get started with.
  
  
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  Is Russia Bluffing?

  by Fisherman in

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  “supplies of offensive weapons to the kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” state duma chairman vyacheslav volodin said.

  “if washington and nato supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons.”.

  what is russia implying?

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  Sea Breeze

  None of this is any surprise; the time simply came to "punish" Putin for his nationalist ideology.

  More from the article:

  Many years ago, "William Burns, then President Bush’s ambassador in Moscow, now President Biden’s Director of Central Intelligence. In a memo to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Burns wrote the following:

  Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two-and-a-half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests. [It would be seen] as throwing down the strategic gauntlet. Today’s Russia will respond. Russian-Ukrainian relations will go into a deep freeze."

  Biden (and his handlers) has demonized nationalist Putin the same as he did his nationalist opponents here in the USA. Nationalism is the enemy of Globalism, with all its world courts, open borders, world economic forumns, and cronyism.

  God has been against globalism since the tower of babel, because since man is evil by nature, consoladated power allows for the consoladation of evil. "Power corrupts and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely".

  But to answer the OP question: No, PUTIN IS NOT BLUFFING. I believe globalist leaders have done the math and calculated that even with a nuclear exchange, out of the ashes a far more powerful globalist ideology will emerge, with them in charge.

  Their MO is to create a crisis and then announce themselves as the solution to the problem they created.
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  Is Russia Bluffing?

  by Fisherman in

  1. social
  2. current

  “supplies of offensive weapons to the kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” state duma chairman vyacheslav volodin said.

  “if washington and nato supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons.”.

  what is russia implying?

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  Sea Breeze

  Anony Mouse,

  Not sure where you are getting your information. Czech and Slovakia have virtually identical languages. It is the same culture. The goverments are very close, even representing each other to the EU if the other president can't make an appointment. That is normally unheard of in politics. Your statement, "Divided into ethnic groups that really don’t care about their central overlords" certainly couldn't be farther from reality as far as the Czech Republic and Slovakia are concerned.
  
  The only land dispute my relatives who live there have ever heard of is with Germany on the other side of the country, which is not surprising, given Germany's history and the fact that Czechoslavakia was the first country Hitler annexed. As far as the gypsies are concerned that you mention; No one really knows where they came from. They are all over Europe and mostly live off state welfare.

  From the article I posted from a conference on Russia:

  "Putin invaded Ukraine after the U.S. rejected his demand for a guarantee that Ukraine not join NATO. We don’t have to excuse Putin, but we should note that, until quite recently, having Ukraine in NATO was a prospect that struck even many American foreign policy thinkers as a bad idea. These included George Kennan, who was one of the architects of the NATO alliance when the Cold War began in the late 1940s. Kennan was still alert and active, at about 90 years of age, when NATO won the Cold War at the turn of the 1990s. And in 1997, during the Clinton administration, he warned that American plans to push NATO borders “smack up to those of Russia” was the “greatest mistake of the entire post–Cold War era.”

  In a world that is becoming increasingly globalist, Putin is still a nationalist. That's the "problem".
  
  
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  Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

  by Sharpie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

  as per doctrine.

  is still alive in heaven right now correct?

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  Sea Breeze

  In Psalm 49:15, we then read, “But God will ransom my soul from the power of Sheol, for he will receive me.”

  Vanderhoven7,

  Doesn't the above scripture you cited indicate that Sheol is the recipient of the payment? We even have an fairly common expression today, "He will have hell to pay for that".
  
  Seems to indicate that Sheol is the recipinent of the payment, not God. This fits ratheer nicely with scripture which says, "the wages of sin is death".

  Jesus paid hell for us.
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  Do you know of any church that KNOWS God?

  by the-MadJW in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean, the jws have many faults, as each of us have.. do you know any other group that does?.

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  Sea Breeze

  My advice is to find a church with local governance:

  Bible Churches

  Baptist Churches

  Non- Denominational Churches

  Calvary Chapel Churches
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  Did the ransom sacrifice even work?

  by Sharpie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  shower thought entered my mind the other day... jesus christ.

  as per doctrine.

  is still alive in heaven right now correct?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Sea Breeze

  So you see, the ransom was something that God required or demanded in order to satisfy his standard of justice so he could save mankind without offending his attribute of justice.

  No, I don't see. The death penalty is what was demanded. It is the death penalty that satisfies the demands of Justice, not the ransom. "The wages of sin is death".
  
  

  If you have ever broken any of the ten commandments, you are going to die and later be tried. You will be resurrected after the thousand year reign and will stand trial, fully resurrected in your own body. At this trial, you will be "judged by your deeds". Believers on the other hand will not be judged by their deeds, they are judged vicariously by the deeds of Jesus - "the just for the unjust" - "There is therefore NOW, no condemnation for those in Christ". Romans 8: 1

  But we are all sure to face judgment:

  "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgment". - Heb. 9: 27

  There is a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. The righteous are "resurrected unto life and the unrighteous are resurrected unto damnation". Either way, the death penalty will be imposed either vicariously or personally as a just punishment for the sins you are guilty of (not Adam).
  

  Adam had not excuse to sin but imperfect humans can argue as king David said in the Psalms, that they were born that way so on what just standard could God abandon mankind without demanding justice —that is to say, the ransom.

  This is just twisted upside-down thinking, born from an unsaved and sociopathic mind. A mind with a 7th grade education who believed they were prophesied about in scripture and was appointed ruler over all the earth. This is where you got your theology. Russell was a madman who believed his own manure. The world knows all about Russell.

  My bible says that man has no excuse: "since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" - Romans 1: 20

  In Job 41:11 we find God stating that He doesn’t owe anyone anything.

  “Who has given to Me, that I should repay him? Whatever is under the whole heaven is Mine.”

  It is like those infected with WT theology are under some sort of spell and are totally incapable of understanding the idea of grace and are innoculated against receiving it. God owes you nothing but death and condemnation.

  I understand you have your own theology- that I totally disagree with-

  You are hearing a clear presentation of the gospel that Christians are unified around, whether they are Calvinists, amillinialists or post tribulationists. This "ministry of reconciliation" started with the apostles and is preached unaltered by hundreds of millions of Christians. It is widely understood and firmly rooted in scripture as securely as anything can be.

  The Russell gospel of: God owing us a ransom is a false gospel, designed to obscure God's offer of a "free gift" . How can you accept a free gift if it is owed to you as you describe? ... and you must receive it for it to become activated on your behalf:

  "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ." - 2 Cor. 5: 21
  

  See, how the WT ranson doctrine is designed to steal your opportunity? You must RECEIVE the GIFT of righteousness. If God owes you something like the WT teaches, it is no longer a gift and you cannot receive a gift that is not there. Now can you see the WT steal?
  

  Disconnect from the WT matrix and read your bible.